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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 11:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this blog is old now.  I just found it through Google.  I had a few comments.

First of all, the whole &quot;lomography&quot; fad is a complete rip-off.  They charge absolutely outrageous prices for a crappy PLASTIC camera!  Especially the Urban Oufitters website.  I just can&#039;t believe that place, and how gullible some people must be.  They&#039;ll pay $300 for a crappy plastic TLR, when they can get a REAL, all-metal vintage TLR, like the Yashica A, on eBay for less than $100!  

What really concerns me though is that some people who just don&#039;t know any better will confuse &quot;lomography&quot; with REAL film photography.  They&#039;ll think that ALL film cameras take blurry pictures with streaks and lines, etc.  They won&#039;t understand the difference between a lomography camera and a REAL film camera.  I can take razor sharp pictures with my vintage 35mm SLR or rangefinder cameras.  And the detail you can get with 120 roll film and a decent medium format camera is absolutely incredible.  But if someone doesn&#039;t know better and only uses crappy plastic lomography cameras, then they would never know that.

I&#039;m already starting to see people get lomography confused with real film photography.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this blog is old now.  I just found it through Google.  I had a few comments.</p>
<p>First of all, the whole &#8220;lomography&#8221; fad is a complete rip-off.  They charge absolutely outrageous prices for a crappy PLASTIC camera!  Especially the Urban Oufitters website.  I just can&#8217;t believe that place, and how gullible some people must be.  They&#8217;ll pay $300 for a crappy plastic TLR, when they can get a REAL, all-metal vintage TLR, like the Yashica A, on eBay for less than $100!  </p>
<p>What really concerns me though is that some people who just don&#8217;t know any better will confuse &#8220;lomography&#8221; with REAL film photography.  They&#8217;ll think that ALL film cameras take blurry pictures with streaks and lines, etc.  They won&#8217;t understand the difference between a lomography camera and a REAL film camera.  I can take razor sharp pictures with my vintage 35mm SLR or rangefinder cameras.  And the detail you can get with 120 roll film and a decent medium format camera is absolutely incredible.  But if someone doesn&#8217;t know better and only uses crappy plastic lomography cameras, then they would never know that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m already starting to see people get lomography confused with real film photography.</p>
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		<title>By: Words: Ramblings about photography &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pinhole, Bacon, Urbex, Restraint, Pinball, Rock!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Words: Ramblings about photography &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pinhole, Bacon, Urbex, Restraint, Pinball, Rock!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 04:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rant of the week goes to Nicolai at Photon Detector for Lomographic Society continues to suck [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Rant of the week goes to Nicolai at Photon Detector for Lomographic Society continues to suck [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Wenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Wenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicolai, just letting you know that there are at least two very interesting off-shoot discussions about this post ongoing on Filmwasters.com (http://filmwasters.com/forum/index.php?topic=1314.0) and Toycamera.com (http://toycamera.com/forum/index.php?topic=1317.0).

Good on ya!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicolai, just letting you know that there are at least two very interesting off-shoot discussions about this post ongoing on Filmwasters.com (<a href="http://filmwasters.com/forum/index.php?topic=1314.0" rel="nofollow">http://filmwasters.com/forum/index.php?topic=1314.0</a>) and Toycamera.com (<a href="http://toycamera.com/forum/index.php?topic=1317.0)" rel="nofollow">http://toycamera.com/forum/index.php?topic=1317.0)</a>.</p>
<p>Good on ya!</p>
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		<title>By: william</title>
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		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excellent post nicolai. now i&#039;m disgusted with them more than ever. 

the p-sharan is available elsewhere(freestyle carries it for one) for about 26 bucks(though i believe it retails for less in japan). it&#039;s not the same as the dirkon, so not really fair to compare the prices in that way(the dirkon should be free anyway).

the holga 120PC(pinhole) is available elsewhere for about 32 bucks which is about what i paid for mine locally. i suspect the holga 135pc is available at the same prices too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent post nicolai. now i&#8217;m disgusted with them more than ever. </p>
<p>the p-sharan is available elsewhere(freestyle carries it for one) for about 26 bucks(though i believe it retails for less in japan). it&#8217;s not the same as the dirkon, so not really fair to compare the prices in that way(the dirkon should be free anyway).</p>
<p>the holga 120PC(pinhole) is available elsewhere for about 32 bucks which is about what i paid for mine locally. i suspect the holga 135pc is available at the same prices too.</p>
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		<title>By: Luoboding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luoboding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Writing before I read the other comments isn&#039;t always good so apologies for any repetition but here goes. 

All this has been said before. That letter to Lomo Joe in St P? How old is that now? C&#039;mon!

Look, I have bought stuff off the LSI and I enjoy my lomohome as part of the deal. I enjoy taking part in larger group events (missions, themes and projects) and I respect that they need to make some money off me in order to keep this community humming. 

We all know that things can be bought cheaper elsewhere but what sort of a-hole are you if you really want to have your cake and eat it too? I buy things from LSI every once in a while and I see it as my support for the community they have built. I could have got it cheaper through an unknown e-bayer but I didn&#039;t and LSI gets the difference.

At the end of the day, it&#039;s a choice. If you don&#039;t like it, close down your lomohome, get off their mailing list and go start a group called non-lomo or &quot;I hate LSI&quot; or something similar (it&#039;s been tried!) and have a blast!

What you&#039;ll soon find is that you miss the community. You&#039;ll then find that building one takes time and effort, which, of course comes down to money, unless you want to and are able to do it part-time and on a shoe-string... 

So, when you really want to get your new anti-lomo community growing, will you stop working to build it? Or will you start thinking about revenue streams that can support and maintain the growth? 

Don&#039;t see them as overpriced, don&#039;t see it as supporting some group of guys in Vienna, see it as supporting a community of people who enjoy shooting film and sharing the results. If you don&#039;t want to play, then don&#039;t! That choice is yours. But if you do want to be part of it, stop bitching! Last time I checked, buying through LSI was still optional!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Writing before I read the other comments isn&#8217;t always good so apologies for any repetition but here goes. </p>
<p>All this has been said before. That letter to Lomo Joe in St P? How old is that now? C&#8217;mon!</p>
<p>Look, I have bought stuff off the LSI and I enjoy my lomohome as part of the deal. I enjoy taking part in larger group events (missions, themes and projects) and I respect that they need to make some money off me in order to keep this community humming. </p>
<p>We all know that things can be bought cheaper elsewhere but what sort of a-hole are you if you really want to have your cake and eat it too? I buy things from LSI every once in a while and I see it as my support for the community they have built. I could have got it cheaper through an unknown e-bayer but I didn&#8217;t and LSI gets the difference.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, it&#8217;s a choice. If you don&#8217;t like it, close down your lomohome, get off their mailing list and go start a group called non-lomo or &#8220;I hate LSI&#8221; or something similar (it&#8217;s been tried!) and have a blast!</p>
<p>What you&#8217;ll soon find is that you miss the community. You&#8217;ll then find that building one takes time and effort, which, of course comes down to money, unless you want to and are able to do it part-time and on a shoe-string&#8230; </p>
<p>So, when you really want to get your new anti-lomo community growing, will you stop working to build it? Or will you start thinking about revenue streams that can support and maintain the growth? </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t see them as overpriced, don&#8217;t see it as supporting some group of guys in Vienna, see it as supporting a community of people who enjoy shooting film and sharing the results. If you don&#8217;t want to play, then don&#8217;t! That choice is yours. But if you do want to be part of it, stop bitching! Last time I checked, buying through LSI was still optional!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes they have always been a rip off ...

Exclent blog entry ... I wonder if the good people at worldwide pinhole day know about this?</description>
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<p>Exclent blog entry &#8230; I wonder if the good people at worldwide pinhole day know about this?</p>
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		<title>By: haggis basher</title>
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		<dc:creator>haggis basher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 03:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicoli,

This has to be your best post ever!! Its caused a major storm amongst my local photography groups and those LOMO people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicoli,</p>
<p>This has to be your best post ever!! Its caused a major storm amongst my local photography groups and those LOMO people.</p>
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		<title>By: The new Capitalist in Photography : clusterflock</title>
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		<dc:creator>The new Capitalist in Photography : clusterflock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to read more.. Lomographic Society Continues to suck.. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to read more.. Lomographic Society Continues to suck.. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Wenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Wenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Breath of fresh air. Thanks for taking the time to look up the facts and then for sitting down and articulating the exact same thoughts about LSI that I and several friends have had for a number of years. Furthermore it&#039;s great to hear it coming from a person such as yourself with mad photography skillz :-) I&#039;m going to link to this forever. Thanks again. You speak the truth. 

The only good thing about LSI is that they have a knack of seducing people (back) into film-based photography and for that I&#039;m willing to pat them on the back (albeit with clenched teeth). What I&#039;m not happy about is the bullshit that surrounds their operation and the insane prices they charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breath of fresh air. Thanks for taking the time to look up the facts and then for sitting down and articulating the exact same thoughts about LSI that I and several friends have had for a number of years. Furthermore it&#8217;s great to hear it coming from a person such as yourself with mad photography skillz :-) I&#8217;m going to link to this forever. Thanks again. You speak the truth. </p>
<p>The only good thing about LSI is that they have a knack of seducing people (back) into film-based photography and for that I&#8217;m willing to pat them on the back (albeit with clenched teeth). What I&#8217;m not happy about is the bullshit that surrounds their operation and the insane prices they charge.</p>
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		<title>By: Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sh***** you? Actually no. We&#039;re on the same side of the fence. :-)

The point was, to show the lack of knowledge typical of many lomographers about photography in general.

One example is the claim of one poster above that LSI democratized photography. Or that it liberated it.  The only true event which did this, was, as quoted, the arrival of the Kodak.  That little black box liberated photography and turned everyone who can press a button (or more accurately allowed) access to photography.  The complicated cameras, heavy plates, subsequent developing which made photography formerly an exclusive turf of the professional and hardy hobbyist were done away with.

Like Pinhole photography, it appears that LSI or its followers are trying to usurp everything that has to do with film and cameras.

The second evidence of lomographers&#039; knowledge deficiency of course, is the fact that they will bite - hook, line, and sinker- at anything the LSI will toss at them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sh***** you? Actually no. We&#8217;re on the same side of the fence. :-)</p>
<p>The point was, to show the lack of knowledge typical of many lomographers about photography in general.</p>
<p>One example is the claim of one poster above that LSI democratized photography. Or that it liberated it.  The only true event which did this, was, as quoted, the arrival of the Kodak.  That little black box liberated photography and turned everyone who can press a button (or more accurately allowed) access to photography.  The complicated cameras, heavy plates, subsequent developing which made photography formerly an exclusive turf of the professional and hardy hobbyist were done away with.</p>
<p>Like Pinhole photography, it appears that LSI or its followers are trying to usurp everything that has to do with film and cameras.</p>
<p>The second evidence of lomographers&#8217; knowledge deficiency of course, is the fact that they will bite &#8211; hook, line, and sinker- at anything the LSI will toss at them.</p>
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